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wcfields2009 71M
1843 posts
3/20/2017 4:12 pm
Okay, So Let's See Now

At the Congressional hearings today the director of the FBI and the director of the NSA both testified that there is absolutely NO evidence that former president Obama had Trump tower wiretapped.

So why doesn't the president take these men at their word?

According to one senator, there are two possibilities:

1) The president knows he's wrong but refuses to admit it. (big surprise)


2) The president really can't tell the difference between the truth that is supported by facts and what he wants to be the truth in his little delusional world.

Prediction: The president will go to war against the FBI and the NSA because they refuse to bow to his rantings and ramblings like good little toadies are supposed to.

wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/20/2017 4:14 pm

The truth is out

wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/20/2017 4:15 pm

and Trump doesn't like it

wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/20/2017 4:15 pm

so prepare yourself

wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/20/2017 4:16 pm

for a new barrage of insane tweets and proclamations from the weirdo-in-chief.

Hungr4Yungr 68M
2590 posts
3/20/2017 5:27 pm

It will be very interesting to see if the Trumpster can survive this investigation. I have to applaud Comey for taking the right stand to protect the country from Trump Terrorism.

newfinder 67M
32567 posts
3/20/2017 6:20 pm

We need to build a wall



Take the road less travelled.

woodster4 45M  
528 posts
3/20/2017 8:03 pm

    Quoting newfinder:
    We need to build a wall


Yes, to keep Trump out, but Canada is nicer than that, they are building bridges, not walls.

foreskin4u2 69M  
27 posts
3/20/2017 8:25 pm

faux invetigation to waste time and money; we need jobs NOT JIVE!!

Eviloutlaw1 55M
380 posts
3/21/2017 2:17 am

From what has gone before, this is clear to be no picnic.

OnDaFence 29M/37M  
15378 posts
3/21/2017 10:25 pm

Go ahead and worry yourself into a grave over the trivialities while my generation is saddled with the horrendous public debt your pampered, spend happy generation has saddled us with.

wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/22/2017 4:00 am

Now you're guilty of making sweeping generalizations. The debt has come from Congress and the wars in the Middle East that began soon after 9/11.

As for being "spend happy," I personally have more money in the bank now than I ever had before. I grew up in a house where wild spending was frowned upon. And for being spend happy, look no farther than the current generation who think nothing of paying $300 or more for a phone.

hamonman 57M
172 posts
3/22/2017 10:06 am

Spend Happy, Spend Often !!

Spend Big to build a wall around Donald T Rump ! ! !

Make sure it's big enough for two

OnDaFence 29M/37M  
15378 posts
3/22/2017 8:56 pm

Members of the intelligence community "incidentally collected" communications from the Trump transition team during legal surveillance operations of foreign targets, a top Republican lawmaker said Wednesday afternoon.
House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said this produced "dozens" of reports which eventually unmasked several individuals’ identities and were "widely disseminated."
He said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower -- as President Trump has suggested. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.
“I recently confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected intelligence,” Nunes said.
Democrats quickly criticized him for his comments. 
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, released a statement:
"This afternoon, Chairman Devin Nunes announced he had some form of intercepts revealing that lawfully gathered intelligence on foreign officials included information on U.S. Persons, potentially including those associated with President Trump or the President himself. If accurate, this information should have been shared with members of the committee, but it has not been. ... The Chairman also shared this information with the White House before providing it to the committee, another profound irregularity, given that the matter is currently under investigation. I have expressed my grave concerns with the Chairman that a credible investigation cannot be conducted this way."
The revelations could at least partially back up some allegations made by Trump earlier this month, when he tweeted that former President Barack Obama had "wiretapped" him, though top lawmakers have sharply disputed those claims. FBI Director James Comey also testified earlier this week he had no evidence to support the claims. 
Nunes said he told House Speaker Paul Ryan earlier Wednesday about his findings. He later said he briefed Trump, calling some of the collection "inappropriate." 
Trump commented briefly afterward, saying he felt “somewhat” vindicated by Nunes’ comments. 
"There’s a lot of questions that I think his statement raises, and that I hope we can get to the bottom of,” White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer also said.
He said the NSA had been "very helpful" during the investigation, however, he was unsure if "the FBI is going to comply."
Nunes said the surveillance collection was "legally collected foreign intelligence under FISA incidental collection." But Nunes said he was "alarmed" the intelligence "ended up in reporting channels and was widely disseminated."
It was previously reported that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was "unmasked" in this way, however, Nunes said "additional names" were unmasked as well.
He said he didn't know what foreign intelligence value the surveillance had "and why people would need to know that about President-elect Trump and his transition team." Nunes did not identify which foreign targets were under surveillance.
Asked if he thought Trump was spied on, Nunes replied: "I'm not gonna get into legal definitions here, but clearly I have a concern."

OnDaFence 29M/37M  
15378 posts
3/22/2017 9:01 pm


House Intelligence Committee chair Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) announced on Wednesday that he had learned that members of President Donald Trump’s transition team had been under surveillance by the Obama administration, that individual names had been “unmasked” by the intelligence community, and that those names had been leaked to the media.
Nunes’s information — which he said he would deliver to the White House later — vindicates the bulk of Trump’s claims earlier this month.
Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump, possibly including Trump himself.
Much of that had been suspected, on the basis of mainstream media reports, but Rep. Nunes reported something new: that the surveillance did not involve the ongoing Federal Bureau of Investigation (FB inquiry into Russia’s alleged involvement in the 2016 presidential election. Indeed, none of the surveillance had intelligence value, he said.
“I believe it was all done legally,” Nunes told a press conference. The question, he said, was why names of those swept up in the surveillance had been leaked. The collection of the intelligence appeared to have been legal, but the leaking may have been illegal.
Most of the activity occurred during the transition period from November to January. Furthermore, Nunes said, he did not know whether phone calls — including phone calls involving Trump — were among the communications captured.

Nunez added that the new information had come to light after Monday’s hearing with FBI Director James Comey, when the congressman had appealed to anyone with new information to come forward. He said the new revelations had been “legally brought to me by sources who thought that we should know it.
The new information vindicates earlier reporting by Breitbart News, Mark Levin, and others, and which President Trump may have relied upon in tweeting the wiretapping claim Mar. 4.
Following Monday’s hearing, the mainstream media appeared to celebrate Comey’s statement that there was no evidence of wiretapping at Trump Tower. Politicians, too, piled on — including some Republicans, like Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), who demanded that Trump apologize to Obama.
However, the only new revelation at the hearing was that senior members of the Obama administration may have been involved in “unmasking” former General Michael Flynn in intelligence reports.
Wednesday’s revelations by Rep. Nunes confirm earlier media reports of surveillance of Trump aides and associates, with the added twist that the revelations were unrelated to investigations of Russian ties to the Trump campaign.
No evidence of any collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign has been found, and former Obama administration intelligence officials have said publicly that such evidence does not exist.
Though the media, and the political opposition, had attacked Trump for his claims about wiretapping, he later clarified that he had used the term to refer to surveillance in a general sense. He also suggested that more evidence would soon emerge.
The result is a vindication of Trump’s controversial claims. Questions remain about whether President Obama himself knew of the surveillance, which other Obama administration officials were involved, and whether Trump was monitored directly