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wcfields2009 71M
1843 posts
3/17/2017 4:38 pm
Healthcare Fantasyland


I apologize for the length of this blog, but I thought it was important for everyone (especially those who swallow, hook line and sinker, everything our conman-in-chief says) to see. The following is a column written by E.J.Dionne Jr. that appeared in my local newspaper today.

We shouldn't blithely move on to other matters until we deal with the institutional carnage inflicted upon us by Donald Trump.

The current president of the United States has accused former president Barack Obama of committing a felony by having him wiretapped. But Trump refuses to offer a shred of evidence for perhaps the most incendiary charge one president has ever leveled against another. Trump recklessly set off a mighty explosion and his spokespeople duck and dodge, hoping we'll pretend nothing happened.

If our republic had a responsible Congress, its leaders would accept their duty to demand that a president who shakes his country and the world with such an outlandish allegation either put up proof or apologize.

Unfortunately, we have no such Congress.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., modeled what House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell could say. The American people, McCain declared on Monday, "have a right to know on what basis the president of the United States said that his predecessor had broken the law."

Honestly: Is it so hard for Ryan and McConnell at least to whisper something like this?

Instead, Republican leaders think it is time for business as usual, which in their case means figuring out how to deprive low-income people of health insurance while cutting taxes on the rich and increasing the deficit.

This is what their replacement of Obamacare would do. Democrats have quickly labeled the bill "Trumpcare," and why not? Trump described it as "wonderful." What's interesting about this is the proposal fails (forgive me) bigly in living up to the joyous health care future Trump envisioned.

"Everybody's got to be covered," the Magician of Mar-del-Lago said on "60 Minutes" in September 2015. "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

Trump's health care vows are as credible as his assertions against Obama and as reliable as the guarantees he made to students at Trump University. They sued him over how fake his claims were, and he had to settle.

No one should act as if Trump didn't warn us about his negotiable relationship with the truth. He laid it out in his 1987 best-seller, "The Art of the Deal." Trump wrote: "I play to people's fantasies...People want to believe something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular." He spoke of "truthful hyperbole" -- an oxymoron for the ages -- which he defined as "an innocent form of exaggeration."

But exaggeration is not innocent when it means depriving the old, the sick and the poor of health insurance. If there is one beautiful thing about the health care proposal House Republicans released this week, it is that it exposes how much untruthful hyperbole Republicans engaged in about Obamacare and what they would replace it with.

Republicans are badly split over this bill because, like Trump, GOP leaders could never keep the promises they made. The ultra-conservatives have denounced the spending it authorizes. Well, yes, even inadequate efforts to subsidize health insurance cost a lot of money.

You know the Republicans are in trouble because Ryan said that all the mysteries would be resolved if citizens would only "read the bill." So I did, and my experience confirmed that Ryan's invitation was a typical example of Beltway nonsense. The speaker knows that gems such as language calling for amending "subsection (d)(1), by striking 'to which' and inserting 'to which, subject to section 1903A(a)," are incomprehensible to anyone but lawyers, policy experts and crack legislative drafters. Reading this thing doesn't make it better.

It is sad, to paraphrase the Tweeter in Chief himself, that Washington is now a city of avoidance, denial and deception. Whether he's talking about policy or his political adversaries, Trump is simply not believable. And his friends in Congress are proving themselves no more trustworthy. Welcome to Fantasyland.

wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/17/2017 4:39 pm

If you've read this


wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/17/2017 4:41 pm

entire column, especially the part


wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/17/2017 4:42 pm

quoted from Trump's 1987 book,


wcfields2009 71M
1244 posts
3/17/2017 4:42 pm

you'll understand why I don't trust a thing that man says.


newfinder 67M
32567 posts
3/17/2017 5:37 pm

In the past couple of weeks, Congress has passed/repealed legislation of policies that define First World countries on this planet.

Everyone is so distracted by the 3-ring circus in the White House, that they are not noticing that they are moving backwards to Third World level.

As a spectator, it is shocking

XOXO

Jack

Take the road less travelled.


OnDaFence 29M/37M  
15378 posts
3/17/2017 7:24 pm

I am afraid you along with the lamestream media consider silence with lack of evidence. When Pelosi, Waters, Reid, Warren, Franken, Schumer, or Cummings dashes off half cocked in search of the nearest TV camera in a comical frenzy to be the very first to give their "take" on the latest events whether or not they have the slightest clue as to it's validity or not. This health care bill is at least open for debate something Obummercare never was. As to the wire tapping's had you bothered to stay up to date with the current events The investigating committees gave the DOJ till the 20th to present it's case. Unlike the half-witted predecessors the NEW Administration can keep it's mouth shut and not tip their hand to the press as to what damming evidence they have against obuma and crooked Hillary. By the way Did you happen to hear about the big DRUG BUST with ties to obuma on the ship Michelle in the Caribbean??? Even more dirt on that DFN coming to light.


OnDaFence 29M/37M  
15378 posts
3/17/2017 7:31 pm

"You know the Republicans are in trouble because Ryan said that all the mysteries would be resolved if citizens would only "read the bill." So I did, and my experience confirmed that Ryan's invitation was a typical example of Beltway nonsense. The speaker knows that gems such as language calling for amending "subsection (d)(1), by striking 'to which' and inserting 'to which, subject to section 1903A(a)," are incomprehensible to anyone but lawyers, policy experts and crack legislative drafters. Reading this thing doesn't make it better."

Might I suggest broadening your reading beyond comic books and the Lady's Home Journal. Write to your congressman with your concerns instead of wallowing in ignorance and misunderstanding. I met with our state house Rep today and expressed my concerns for several items facing the Iowa Legislature.


wcfields2009 replies on 3/18/2017 4:24 am:
Bret, I'm afraid you're one of the people I mentioned when I said those who swallow hook, line and sinker everything Trump says. You've been conned by the greatest con man since P. T. Barnum and you refuse to admit it.

If you were honest about this man, you'd concede that since he first began running for the Republican nomination he's lied to the American people more than all the other politicians combined. And he's surrounded himself with a bunch of yes-people who spread his crap.

I honestly thought you were smarter than this.

jockstrapfull 61M
1118 posts
3/18/2017 3:40 am

    Quoting OnDaFence:
    I am afraid you along with the lamestream media consider silence with lack of evidence. When Pelosi, Waters, Reid, Warren, Franken, Schumer, or Cummings dashes off half cocked in search of the nearest TV camera in a comical frenzy to be the very first to give their "take" on the latest events whether or not they have the slightest clue as to it's validity or not. This health care bill is at least open for debate something Obummercare never was. As to the wire tapping's had you bothered to stay up to date with the current events The investigating committees gave the DOJ till the 20th to present it's case. Unlike the half-witted predecessors the NEW Administration can keep it's mouth shut and not tip their hand to the press as to what damming evidence they have against obuma and crooked Hillary. By the way Did you happen to hear about the big DRUG BUST with ties to obuma on the ship Michelle in the Caribbean??? Even more dirt on that DFN coming to light.
Like the White House, Bret practices the the ole "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit".

I think, therefore I'm Liberal.


jockstrapfull 61M
1118 posts
3/18/2017 3:45 am

    Quoting OnDaFence:
    "You know the Republicans are in trouble because Ryan said that all the mysteries would be resolved if citizens would only "read the bill." So I did, and my experience confirmed that Ryan's invitation was a typical example of Beltway nonsense. The speaker knows that gems such as language calling for amending "subsection (d)(1), by striking 'to which' and inserting 'to which, subject to section 1903A(a)," are incomprehensible to anyone but lawyers, policy experts and crack legislative drafters. Reading this thing doesn't make it better."

    Might I suggest broadening your reading beyond comic books and the Lady's Home Journal. Write to your congressman with your concerns instead of wallowing in ignorance and misunderstanding. I met with our state house Rep today and expressed my concerns for several items facing the Iowa Legislature.
Ah a meeting between Twiddle Dumb and Twiddle Dumber.

I think, therefore I'm Liberal.


whitehouse 66M
794 posts
3/18/2017 5:55 am

His F*****G budget. Yep it is all for the rich and taken every last penny from the poor . He says i am for you poor people. Like hell he is. He is the best of all con men.
He is such a lair you can not be leave one word that comes out of his mouth. He wants to cut out every program that is in place to help the poor. Oh yes another thing that bites my ass is. How Trump says that free lunch programs in schools has to go also. He claims that breakfast does not help children do better in school. He and his so call administration say there is no proof that children do better in school when they have a full tummy. Dam! Were in hell do they come up with this shit. I forgot they so wealthy they never have to worry about there children has clothes or food to eat. One more thing he wants to cut out is, The home heating program that helps the poor with heat and there electrical bills in the winter. Again they don't give a dam because there so dam rich they never have o worry about such things as staying warm or having food on the table. What stupid ass idiot he is and his administration. All there interested in is lining there own pockets with our money. Paul Ryan goes right along with all the rest of the lame ducks congress. He said how he does support Trump and never will during Trumps campaign. There was another lie out of his mouth now he is all for Trump. What Idiots. The only Fake news that there is. Comes out of the white house and congress. There is the Fake news.


whitehouse 66M
794 posts
3/18/2017 5:56 am

Don't get me started on the health care bill.


robbie565 68M
163 posts
3/18/2017 9:21 am

The health care "reform" proposed by Paul Ryan is a massive giveaway to the wealthiest Americans and the profitable insurance industry. This massive wealth transfer is accompanied with the loss of affordable health insurance for 14 million Americans along with cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Insurance companies will once again be free to refuse coverage for those with any prior condition. Hundreds if not thousands of rural hospitals will close. Meanwhile the 400 wealthiest families in America, which includes DJT and some of his cabinet members receive tax breaks averaging $30 million per year. I can only wish Paul Ryan and Donald Trump a long painful death. That is what they are trying to force on millions of Americans.


goofy48 71M
1471 posts
3/18/2017 12:07 pm

I am all in favor of leaving Obama care alone and what it sink or swim on its present course.

I know people that love it and I know people who because of deductibles cannot use it, so what good is it.

I am being but on 1 drug that has a 2800 dollar co-pay, cannot afford. So
will have go without.

Obama care is settled law so leave it as is. It started out with 23 exchanges now have 5. Do not dump trillions of extra funds in it. What to do if/when it implodes.

I want something that works and neither Obama are nor this current bill will do that


boux601 68M
267 posts
3/20/2017 10:37 am

I will admit that it is not the easiest task to prepare health care for an entire nation so I think that we should give them some time to work out the kinks