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OnDaFence 36M/44M
44267 posts
4/22/2017 7:05 pm

Last Read:
4/27/2017 9:24 pm

Final Solution



In the United States, 1 in every 2,000 residents are imprisoned for life. This is similar to the total imprisonment rate in Japan, which is roughly 51 per 100,000 residents. There are many U.S. states where a convict can be released on parole after a decade or more has passed. For example a, sentences of "15 years to life" or "25 years to life" may be given; this is called an "indeterminate life sentence", while a sentence of "life without the possibility of parole" is called a "determinate life sentence". Even when a sentence specifically denies the possibility of parole, government officials may have the power to grant amnesty or reprieves, or commute a sentence to time served.



Although sentences vary for each state, generally the life imprisonment sentences are mandatory sentences for first degree murder, particularly when the first degree murder is done during the commission of another felony (the felony murder rule), or there are other aggravating circumstances present (such as is common for OutPersonals which precede such murders, or the first degree murder of any law enforcement official or other public servant) in states without the death penalty, and as an (or the only) alternative sentence in states that have the death penalty and in federal and military courts.



Over 159,000 people were serving life sentences as of 2012, with just under a third—nearly 50,000—serving life without a chance of parole. In 1993 the Times survey found, about 20 percent of all lifers had no chance of parole. By 2004 the number rose to 28 percent. As a result, the U.S. is now housing a large and permanent population of prisoners who will die of old age behind bars. According to statistics provided by the office of California's nonpartisan Legislative Analyst, the current annual cost for maintaining an inmate in a state prison is $47,102.



With recent developments in the Aaron Hernandez and Arcan Cetin, the Washington Mall Shooting Suspect where they chose suicide over life imprisonment might offer our society a cost cutting measure. What I am suggesting of those 50,000 inmates who are sentenced to life imprisonment WITHOUT the chance of parole be offered once a year the opportunity to commit suicide on their own. These inmates know their guilt all we as a society need to do is provide them with a painless means of departure.



What I am suggesting is for us to provide a voluntary means whereby we reduce our prison population by their own self induced deaths. Once a year provide a "lifer" with the chance to be locked in a private cell for a 24 hour period with a lethal dose of a painless poison to be self induced. Each prisoner is left entirely alone so as not to be influenced in any way. At the end of the 24 hour period should they choose not to go through with it they are returned to their cell until the next year when once again the offer is made available to them again.



If even 10% were to take advantage of this offer we are looking at a savings of $235,000,000 a year, as well as, opening up space for newly convicted offenders. While there might be religious or moral objects when viewed under the light that these convicts just a few generations ago would have been taken out in front of the courthouse and hung rather than fed, clothed provided TV, workout facilities, gym, all under constant security more might support this option.



OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 7:08 pm

NOT the usual blog.................


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 7:09 pm

yes I chose that title with it's WW II ramifications.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 7:10 pm

Yes I am going to work over my ideas to present to my congressmen.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 7:11 pm

bounce this off the walls in here awhile.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 7:47 pm

    Quoting woodcarver2:
    I think there is more merit to this idea than is apparent at first glance, so yeah, I will let the proposal bounce around in my head for a while. Hope you will write a follow up blog about this is a month or so to give your faithful readers some time to consider it and then reveal the wording about how you'll word this to your representative in government.
I am thinking it does have merit, as well, just my presentation might need to be over a 3 martini lunch break.


Hungr4Yungr 75M
5766 posts
4/22/2017 8:33 pm

That is an interesting idea that has merit. I would support it. However, suicide is against the law, so specialized legislation would have to be brought in to accommodate this idea. As you know, drafting and passing legislation takes yeeeers, and still never passes. Good luck with this though.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 8:43 pm

    Quoting Hungr4Yungr:
    That is an interesting idea that has merit. I would support it. However, suicide is against the law, so specialized legislation would have to be brought in to accommodate this idea. As you know, drafting and passing legislation takes yeeeers, and still never passes. Good luck with this though.
Those suicide laws are for the most part shaped by Judeo/Christian ethics fomenting a need to adjust our collective views for this select instance whereby a death sentence is willingly carried out upon the individuals own volition .


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 9:49 pm

    Quoting  :

Amazingly that's why I am here... to probe, entertain, and also ask the hard questions.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/22/2017 11:43 pm

and now.... I am taking it a step further. I always appreciate your responses sweet, however, it would be nice to hear from some of the other readers too once in awhile... 500--800- 1200 views and they can't be bothered to speak up and voice their opinion?


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/23/2017 8:34 am

    Quoting JustShowingOff:
    Wow..

    This is a tough one.

    Not that this is a part of the general topic, but i read an article that alleged that Hernandez did this to get into a legal loophole in the NFL contract that would make his conviction null and void so that his daughter would be entitled to the rest of his multi-million dollar contract.
    That's not the larger topic here..

    I don't even know how you can start legislation for this.. but in this nation's current political climate, I'm sure that you can get this passed along with a bunch of earmarks for the conservative right wing agenda without an issue. I'm sure Jeff Sessions has something in mind now that he's looking to add a whole bunch of new prisons to our landscape here too..

    This is a tough subject.... lol
There's been several courses of speculation on Hernadez's motives from the economics to being outted as gay. Those are pure speculation and off topic that I won't address. We can provide a sanctioned suicide or just turn our backs allowing unofficial suicides coupled with prison murders that do occur as a cost saving measure.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/23/2017 8:45 am

    Quoting jockstrapfull:
    Can't wait to read your "cost saving" thoughts on mental health facilities and medicaid covered nursing homes. As for your congressmen, well he's crackpot enough to listen to you. The only thing bouncing around in this room is you
When it comes to the last 8 years of mental health we merely need to point out that those crazies are Islamic terrorist who took out innocent citizens with them. Our current task will be to take out those towelheads individually without risk to the civilian populous. On a further note those criminal elements from south of our border are also greatly reduced. On a more broad spectrum we will see how Ann Coulter's visit to Berkley plays out if those "crazies" are shut down allowing free speech. I would limit ninja costume sales making would be owners fill out forms much the same as would be gun owners. Will you be wearing your jockstrap under your ninja outfit or not while bouncing around in the streets?


99curious69 73M
641 posts
4/23/2017 9:04 am

When I read your title; the first thing that popped into my mind was that you would be proposing, a reinstating slavery for all criminals. I did not anticipate suicide. Which; I wonder would be best?


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/23/2017 6:52 pm

    Quoting 99curious69:
    When I read your title; the first thing that popped into my mind was that you would be proposing, a reinstating slavery for all criminals. I did not anticipate suicide. Which; I wonder would be best?
Hell YES I think we need to work them and work them hard labor to pay for their incarceration and legal fees.


99curious69 73M
641 posts
4/24/2017 6:03 am

    Quoting OnDaFence:
    Hell YES I think we need to work them and work them hard labor to pay for their incarceration and legal fees.
Their owners (renters) would pay all expenses; may be, even pay the state to benefit from their labour.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/24/2017 8:23 pm

    Quoting 99curious69:
    Their owners (renters) would pay all expenses; may be, even pay the state to benefit from their labour.
We need to take a page from the Germans and build factories near the prisons or vice versa with VERY cheap labor for some of the most disgusting jobs many refuse to do such as poultry and swine farms.


jrodd 65M
4396 posts
4/25/2017 9:27 pm

I agree with Jockstapful this time and your proposal is crackpot.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/26/2017 2:06 am

    Quoting jrodd:
    I agree with Jockstapful this time and your proposal is crackpot.
They know they are guilty... let them die one way or another for their crimes.


jrodd 65M
4396 posts
4/26/2017 2:34 am

This is happening to people not in the jails, not even for any serious crimes . Its called Fentanyl and Carfentanyl ,4 deaths per day in this province alone . Thus I offer the proposal that the ones who sells this "serial killer shit" on the street in jail now be given your option plans or the terminator substances they were selling previously on the street option as justifyable vengence.Yes perhaps in the most severe instances as long as it isn't filtering down into mental health hospitals and seniors nursing homes or lesser offenses outside of the extreame hardcore like those mentioned above or worse.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

4/27/2017 9:24 pm

    Quoting jrodd:
    This is happening to people not in the jails, not even for any serious crimes . Its called Fentanyl and Carfentanyl ,4 deaths per day in this province alone . Thus I offer the proposal that the ones who sells this "serial killer shit" on the street in jail now be given your option plans or the terminator substances they were selling previously on the street option as justifyable vengence.Yes perhaps in the most severe instances as long as it isn't filtering down into mental health hospitals and seniors nursing homes or lesser offenses outside of the extreame hardcore like those mentioned above or worse.
You will need to change the Canadian legal mentality making the drug deals responsible for their drug related homicides. That is probably more feasible here in the states under the current administration. I like the idea.. death by their own poison.